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Spot Markets Live 09/11/23, (China, Adani Group, EPS Growth)

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(All comments in bold addressed towards audience members)
Julian Rimmer 10:30

Good morning, Aloha and greetings fellow market wizards.

Nunc tempus loquendi

first of all, we have some major news in the house and congratulations to bestow on our resident Zoomer

Dario has passed his driving test

Plaudits Dario

Dario Garcia Giner 10:31

9 years too late, but better late than never 😉

Julian Rimmer 10:31

Even later than me

I was 25 which partly explains why most of my friends think I’m the most dangerous driver they know

I’m a daydreamer and unlucky and that’s a bad combo with a vehicle

so, which EV are you going to buy?

A seagull by BYD?

Dario Garcia Giner 10:33

The only time I will buy an EV is when I am forced to. I don’t trust any of ’em

I’m gonna buy a ’90s second-hand Merc or BMW. A real car.

Morning all!

Julian Rimmer 10:33

my first car was a Ford Escort with the number plate beginning LCK

It was known as Lucky but there was nothing lucky about it.

Dario Garcia Giner 10:34

Maybe that’s because you were the one driving it

Julian Rimmer 10:34

This was one of several of my cars which was eventually stolen and burnt out.

That’s Liverpool for you.

Right, we shall apologise for the two-day hiatus in SML

but now, normal (and in my case sub-optimal) service can recommence

just a few things to highlight from the market miscellany

oil is in a bear market!

Down 20% from its highs @ $75

Bitcoin has taken out the highs for the year, back to May 22 levels @ $36k on this ETF saga

DXY is 1% off highs for the year probably because UST10yr yields have fallen 50bp from the Oct spike. VIX @ 14 at 5mth low

central bankers are still facing this essential conundrum: they want to stop hiking but the minute they suggest as much, mkts start easing for them and the central banks have to tighten again

The rally at the start of Nov, now fizzling out, would appear to have been predicated on a) the end of the financial year on 31st Oct which left that investment class with cash that had to be invested and b) the resumption of corporate buybacks as reporting season closes.

The next driver will be Black Friday sales a fortnight from now. The seasonal impact is invariably positive.

There is evidence that ¾ of consumers are delaying holiday purchases for discount shopping events like Black Friday or Singles Day, according to a study from Ernst & Young.

The poll was more than 22,000 consumers in 28 countries. 80% say they’re concerned about their finances. Consumers plan to cook and entertain at home this year and cut back on restaurant expenditure

Dario Garcia Giner 10:41

Like me – who learned to cook just this year

Julian Rimmer 10:41
And the last piece of the jigsaw, so your view of markets is complete, is the Chinese CPI data. very weak at -0.2% for oct. the PBOC is struggling to foster animal spirits, to put it mildly

(from jeroen blopkland on twitter)

The data are so bad though, they may well help the mkt as monetary stimulus even more likely now, a cut to RRR in the offing.

Dario Garcia Giner 10:42

Is there anything else bearish about China?

Julian Rimmer 10:43

Bearish talking points on China are legion

however, let’s look at what could be positive

‘are you going to San Francisco?’

Dario Garcia Giner 10:43
Julian Rimmer 10:44

No flowery headdress from Joe and Xi in San Fran next week as they meet on the sidelines of the APEC summit 15-17 Nov

Dario Garcia Giner 10:44

Are we gonna get anything juicy, ya think?

Julian Rimmer 10:45

Erm, in a nutshell: NO

It’s unrealistic to expect anything material to be derived from the meeting but the optics are of immense significance.

The hawkish approach to China has bipartisan support and Biden doesn’t have too much room to manoeuvre. There is very little substantive on which they can agree at this phase

except perhaps help to restart working-level dialogues on issues like trade disputes, but they will fail to address the root cause of escalating U.S.-China tensions and augur little progress on key policy disputes, including climate change mitigation.

Both sides have a vested interest, however, in papering over the two big Sino-American dingdongs in the last twelve months,

namely the Pelosi visit to Taiwan and the balloon fiasco.

Stratfor noted the following small beer agreements

Dario Garcia Giner 10:48

Ah… Stratfor… the leakiest private ‘intelligence’ agency you’ll ever find.

Julian Rimmer 10:48

On Sept. 22, the U.S. Treasury Department announced the creation of two working groups with China on financial and economic matters, intended as a follow-up to high-level meetings between U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and Chinese Vice Premier He Lifeng in July.

Julian Rimmer 10:48
  • On Nov. 6, U.S. and Chinese officials will hold talks about nuclear arms control, following the Pentagon’s public disclosure in October that China’s arsenal of operational nuclear warheads had grown from 400 in 2021 to 500 as of May 2023. However, these talks are unlikely to make significant progress because both sides remain far apart on key issues, as evidenced by the Chinese foreign ministry’s global governance proposal unveiled in September, which mentioned nuclear weapons but notably did not mention the ”no first use” strategy that Beijing has long cited in all of its nuclear policy papers.

But ahead of election season, Biden would like to be able to demonstrate a working relationship at the very least

I think mkts will receive any amicable message favourably so it should be stock and bond-friendly.

a bit of warm guff on nuclear warheads would be taken well

Two months away from Taiwanese elections at the start of 2024, Xi would like to mollify anti-Chinese sentiment that will doubtlessly crop up.

So smiles and handshakes are what to expect.

Dario Garcia Giner 10:50

Well, speaking of Chinese-American relationships

A novel development by the Americans is set to counter the Chinese Belt & road policy in SE Asia

The story – and its backdrop – feels remarkably significant

The US International Development Finance Corporation was established in 2018 and agglutinated the powers of all major American foreign development agencies.

As anyone who’s read Confession of an Economic Hitman, these institutions, while ostensibly helping a foreign and underdeveloped country develop, have allegedly — allegedly

played roles in plunging target countries into debt, or pinning them to American foreign policy objectives

The same can be said, ofc, for China’s Belt & Road

Now, the DFC has just extended a $533mn loan to the Colombo West International Terminal (CWIT) in Sri Lanka. A deepwater shipping container terminal

Remember all – Sri Lanka is known for having ceded the port of Hambantota to China after being unable to pay up in 2018

Julian Rimmer 10:53

I’m amazed the Chinese didn’t think of it first

Dario Garcia Giner 10:53

And there are yet more interesting factoids

Because the CWIT’s investment is backing a previous SML star – the Adani Group

The Adani Group is the Indian conglomerate that purchased a large stake in Haifa’s deep-water port facilities

As part of a plan to freeze out Pakistan and China from trade routes from the Indian ocean to the Mediterranean

And it turns out… Adani Group is in the sights of Hindenburg Research

They claim Adani is “pulling the largest con in corporate history”

Julian Rimmer 10:54

Some competition…

Dario Garcia Giner 10:54

“The Adani Group has previously been the focus of 4 major government fraud investigations which have alleged money laundering, theft of taxpayer funds and corruption, totaling an estimated U.S. $17 billion.”

This is the first time US funds have officially backed the Adani Group

the stock has traded down after a small rise with the announcement

And we note the Hindenburg report was released Jan 23, 2023 – leading to a huge stock drop from which it hasn’t yet recovered

We will soon return with some news about Hindenburg and its newest target: the Chinese eVTOL company EHang.

And speaking of imperilled companies…

Can you smell the dead body, Julian?

Julian Rimmer 10:56

I’m not sure what to say!

I’m not admitting anything in this forum.

I thought I had bricked over my patio very carefully

Dario Garcia Giner 10:57

(Asking for a friend)

The once high-flying $47bn remote work startup, WeWork, has just filed for bankruptcy after accruing $2.9bn of debt

The story comes after delightfully awkward revelations

 like the fact that SoftBank paid $1.5bn to WeWork lenders such as Goldman just a few days before the bankruptcy.

Julian Rimmer 10:57

‘WeWork’ is the kind of nomenclature which disproves my theory of nominative determinism

Dario Garcia Giner 10:57

Hold tight fellow rabble, our investigators managed to snap a sneaky and accurate picture of the Softbank boardroom yesterday

And there’s more where that came from

High-yield corporate bond defaults are speeding up and are predicted to speed up at 1.5x the pace next year due to higher interest rates

BoA has estimated this could bring a $46bn wave of distressed debt in 2024

“We expect defaults to continue to accelerate going into 2024,” Bank of America warned in a note on Friday. “From $30bn in DM USD HY impaired face value over the past 12 months, we project the pace to increase 1.5x to $46bn over the next year for a 3.4% default rate.”

Julian Rimmer 10:59

@grahamh – he doesn’t work

Dario Garcia Giner 10:59

They claimed $14bn of the defaults would affect tech, media, and telecom, $13bn for health, and $8bn in cable

This comes as effective yields for some high-yield debts are trading around 8-9%


This gels with an interesting chart I just found regarding the top 7 – which contribute almost all the EPS growth in the S&P

Julian Rimmer 11:01

This explains why market breadth in the S&P performance this year has been so narrow. it’s basically just those stocks and everything else sucks.

Dario Garcia Giner 11:01

Well, corporates aren’t the only ones sounding alarm sounds

Credit card balances just spiked in Q3 to $1.08tn a brand new record in the US

Julian Rimmer 11:02

Those trends are mirrored in the UK and Europe

Dario Garcia Giner 11:02

Now, smarter people than I (who definitely wouldn’t know any better) pointed out the jump is meaningless because of inflation if we don’t account for rises in cc delinquency

Interestingly enough, cc delinquencies have just surpassed pre-pandemic levels

Though, just to balance out the scales, here’s a relatively optimistic (at least from my limited POV) chart on household debt service payments as % of personal income


(Fed economic data)

Julian Rimmer 11:03


Dario Garcia Giner 11:03

This only reaches to April 2023 – NB

All of this coincided with an annual percentage rate for cc’s above 20% – also an all-time high

Julian Rimmer 11:04

Yes, cc delinquencies were a big warning sign in 2008

Dario Garcia Giner 11:05

America isn’t the only one with ongoing distress among developed Western nations.

This year’s big loser, Germany, continues to lose

German industrial capacity is still plummeting, with German production indices in September indicating another fall – the fourth in a row

Julian Rimmer 11:06

Can you think of any other big reputations recently punctured?

Dario Garcia Giner 11:06

Good q.

The first thing that comes to mind is a recently released and unauthorised biography of Ray Dalio and the Bridgewater Fund

Titled “The Fund” it has been released to critical acclaim

Julian Rimmer 11:07

no, not a smackdown of Ray? Hasn’t he issued a Dogma of Dalio Infallibility?

Dario Garcia Giner 11:07

I don’t know much at all about Ray Dalio, other than I always get a little excited whenever I read his name online because my brain thinks it spells “dario” rather than “dalio”

Yeah, it’s out Richard

From the Times

Julian Rimmer 11:09

£17 hardback

Dario, I know in this dynamic I am the Boomer (or as I learnt just yesterday, a new coinage on me, a Doomer) and you are the Zoomer but I have something on meme stocks

(a locution I never thought I’d utter)

Did you read about the Chinese dragon stocks?

Dario Garcia Giner 11:10

I’d actually say we’re both Doomers

I have no idea what that is

Julian Rimmer 11:10


in 2016, apparently, there was a Chinese stock which to Sinophones sounded very much like ‘Trump Wins Big’

And that stock went nuts around the time of the election.

And there was another counter sounding vaguely like ‘Auntie Hilary is broke’ to Sinophones.

And that collapsed.

Now, as we are still 3mths away from the Lunar New Year

Do you know which new year it is?

It is the Year of the Dragon

Enter the Dragon onto the list of the highest-performing stocks in China. 6 out of the top ten recent performers all contain the word ‘dragon’ in their title.

Dario Garcia Giner 11:13

If this weren’t spot MARKETS live, I’d have a whole bit about how I think dragons really did exist and were simply now-extinct descendants between dinosaurs and birds that populated areas which simply weren’t apt for fossilising

Julian Rimmer 11:13

An analyst at ‘Bloomberg Intelligence’ felt it necessary to add the following

“It is a risky bet if you are simply buying a stock because of the name, without any regard to fundamentals or outlook.”

I guess you need to work for Bloomberg Intelligence to point that out

Dario Garcia Giner 11:15

I wouldn’t have thought of that

Julian Rimmer 11:15

British housewives selecting outsiders for the Grand National every April on the basis of name will be flummoxed

Dario Garcia Giner 11:15

I buy stocks because of their names and if the stock ticker is green

Julian Rimmer 11:15

What is your Chinese sign?

Dario Garcia Giner 11:15

I’m a rat

Julian Rimmer 11:15

That figures

Dario Garcia Giner 11:15

I’m gross and I always come first

That explains why my ex never liked me.

Julian Rimmer 11:15

I laboured for many years under the delusion that I was a sheep

(with whom I felt an ovine fraternal feeling)

but when I lived in HK

I discovered, being born in late Jan, I crept in at the end of the year of the firecracker horse.

I’ve never felt the same about sheep since.

Dario Garcia Giner 11:17

You’re a firecracker horse?!

That’s fantastic.

Julian Rimmer 11:17

Not just any ole horse, 67 was a special horse.

Dario Garcia Giner 11:17

How auspicious

Julian Rimmer 11:17

Supposedly, but life has demonstrated otherwise.

Moving swiftly along from that pile of horse… let’s look forward to the future and in particular, Eurozone earnings

there’s a similar feature to those in the US where EPS growth seems to be better than top-line

Profit warnings and lower guidance mentions are at recent historical highs

chart from MS

All the weakness is expected in consumer discretionary, unsurprisingly.

(NB comment up above at 1035ish on delayed spending)

FY23 EPS consensus is unchanged overall but just starting to show signs of slippage. The significant factor now for corporates is wage increases. These are slowing. 5.6% 2Q23 but 0.7% 3Q23

and need to go into reverse to avoid some further downgrades.

The picture in the US, as always, is a little bit better – but there was an interesting piece from GS yesterday.

Which examined the impact of higher rates on EPS growth.  A 100bp rise in cost of debt hits eps by 3% but it’s quite possible for many weaker balance sheet companies with shorter maturity debt that their interest costs could rise 200bp next year.

Obviously the smaller cap stocks are those who struggle to issue longer-dated paper and are more vulnerable.

This creates a 20% downside risk for the more highly-levered parts of the S&P500 which generally are the travel & leisure, retail and those small-cap components.

And the last point to make this morning is to note the most recent data published by the World Gold Council.

This reveals that in 2Q23 the biggest buyers of gold were…

dramatic drum roll:

Poland 48t and China 45t

No surprise there. The biggest net sellers, while desperately trying to prop up their currency for the elections which they won by means foul not fair, were the Turks.

They sold 132mill tons!

Dario Garcia Giner 11:28

Small updates on my end

Firstly – Guyana has just announced a pathway towards greater military cooperation between the United States and itself.

Which – to be honest – kind of renders the conspiratorial claims by Maduro that the US would build a base in the Essequibo region far more plausible.

I wonder whether this will be an escalatory incident that could result in a war, or if this will all be sorted out in backroom pork and barrel diplomacy (the latter)


And the latest geopolitical mini update is that Azerbaijan has demanded that Armenia return 8 villages in the Armenia-Azeri border

Azerbaijan has not specified which villages they are

I hope Armenia knows, or someone, at least.

Julian Rimmer 11:30

That is depressing. I despise Aliyev

Dario Garcia Giner 11:31

Well he’s gonna be a hero for Turks whether ya like it or not.

Julian Rimmer 11:31

Tight on that spondee of despair, it’s adios, amigos.

Nunc tempus taciendi.

Dario Garcia Giner 11:32


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